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| Action Items | | Town Meeting | | Minutes: Tues, 5/16/00 | | Wed, 5/17/00 | | Thurs, 5/18/00 | |
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Introductions by Carl Goodwin. Intro messages on Bureau change by Lew Wade, Bill Carswell, and George Garklavs.
With respect to Bureau changes; keep doing your work.

New item added for |
Wednesday, May 17 |
4:30 PM |
Role of USGS Operations Office |
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Objective: Discuss concerns about "consolidating" functions in HQ, which has greatly increased the time it takes to do work. |
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Append to 8:45 AM |
Seed money for Projects (Goodwin) |
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Year 2000 Funds for Lotus
Implementation Desktops (Wood & Merk) |
Change following for |
Thursday, May 18 |
8:45 AM |
Seed money for Projects (Goodwin) |
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CPAC members have concern about some existing functions being centralized; such as the following:
There is concern/sentiment about "throwing out the baby with the bath water".
Suggest value added functions rather than throwing out existing functions.
Suggest Bureau solutions that would be good to keep what is working.
The concern is about speaking for the needs of the water discipline and serving the tools to a large number of distributed infrastructure office. |
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Bill Carswell describes the process for developing CPAC strategic goals.
Bill suggested revisiting the strategic goals at the first FY 2001 CPAC meeting.
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District Introductions and Presentations:
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If Oracle is looming over us, we could be passive or get proactive with training, etc., what do you advise? |
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Port cost is minimal. Dealing with Oracle is more difficult than Ingres. NWIS will remain in Ingress. How could field offices support Ingres and Oracle at every site. Just the site administrators tasks will be difficult. |
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When will the enhanced WEB version of Lotus Notes available? |
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Can the date be changed for submitting suggested Lotus Notes enhancements until after the enhanced WEB version is sent out? |
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Is USGS monitoring the web-based training? |
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Will Log Pearson frequency analysis and low-flow analysis built in to NWIS? |
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Enhancements must be recommended to the NWIS User Groups, who make the priorities. Some scripts are being worked on to simplify the processing. Scott Bartholoma and Kate Flynn are working on this. |
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PCA uses USGS data and would like that built into NWIS. |
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HSPF model - windows compliant
version of this model available.
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Many NWIS Documentation: links are old (nwis 2_1 and nwis 3_1). Can documentation on NWIS enhancements be posted to web page, with release information |
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NWIS is bringing a new writer-editor on board. |
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NWIS Training is needed especially DBA Training. |
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User training lies with the discipline
offices. NWIS personnel will support the discipline basic NWIS training.
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Who addresses the concerns of Publications issues? |
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Greg Allord represents the Publications issues. Greg is on the CPAC email abbreviation. And Bob Pierce represents the GIS issues. |
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Action Item 7: CPAC considers "training" as future issue at August CPAC meeting. (Scott McEwen and Tom Wood) |
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Local Documentation from a PC web browser. Alan Lumb will look into this.
Related Documentation:
I encourage you to send Bob Wakelee any questions or specific issues you would like Bob to address.
Questions:
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What is the process for upgrading an individual office's network connection? |
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If a speed problem comes up, Bob works with the cognizant manager to upgrade the line. |
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Will Cinema Service replace the dial-in service in Denver? |
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Denver OPS no longer wants to support the dial-in service. Security is a driving issue. |
VBNS proposal presented by Bob Wakelee is for a Congressional line item.
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Does mainstream software include the
packages on the Goal One list?
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DIS will go as far down the list as it can. |
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Regarding review of DIS performed several years, would you get a copy of that and review it? |
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Yes. |
Comment: Please err on the side of over communications.
Comment: Concern about NT-TAC and SUN-TAC going away with the reorganization.
Comment: NWIS relies on DIS Program Office, NT-TAC and SUN-TAC for consistent configurations.
Concerned about how these functions will be supported.
Comment: Is DIS open to have WRD LINUX support come out of the closet?
Can Ernie Dreyer, David Boldt, Scott McFarlane join forces and be established as a LINUX-TAC?
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SA, DBA, project chiefs, discipline specialist, etc are all involved in task. Nelson modified document and this document can be found on this CPAC meeting's agenda on the web page. Categories of tasks are included in Nelson's new document. There are about 35 NWIS tasks in this new document. See Appendix B of Nelson's document. The objective is to build a document that has useful information that Districts can use right away.
North Carolina has a document that is similar to the Oregon document. This document is three years old.
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Mark reported on the discipline office plans for modeling refreshment. That included a presentation by Mark
plus some time for discussion on the role of CPAC in this activity. Examples of model refreshment activities
by the WRD Discipline Offices were presented.
Model Refreshment Presentation
by Mark Nilles, 5/17/2000.
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Completed Projects - paper and electronic (directory structure)
Station data records
Model inputs, outputs, etc.
Correspondence - internal and external
NWIS - Original record, unit values, ratings, etc.
NAWQA
Biological data
Geophysical
AIS
Portable Computers
SOME DOABLE PIECES
Proposal: That CPAC take ownership of completing these 2 items.
Proposed lead: Linda Geiger
CPAC Liaison: Loren Kloft
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Discussion about Tom Wood and Alan Lumb developing a contingency plan for the DISSPLA COTS replacement options. Refer to Alan Lumb's DISSPLA graphics replacement slides.
With DISSPLA replacements options being considered, Scott McEwen feels that there will be considerable disruptions to the tasks of WRD hydrologic technicians.
Motion. Scott McEwen wants a motion that the goal for graphics replacement is to have the WRD technicians not be disrupted in their abilities to produce graphs for surface-water, ground-water and water-quality graphs. Motion accepted unanimously. Motion to put DISSPLA back into the option set. Two opposed.
The motion encourages that NWIS staff keep working on DISSPLA graphics replacements in NWIS. Discussion of option to buy and pay for DISSPLA from Computer Associates. Discussion of hope for the GINO options for library calls.
Discussion of the use of the S-PLUS instead of TKG2 because S-PLUS is the WRD corporate.
Discussion of the DISSPLA applications in the District. GINO should be looked at regardless for this reason. If no drop-in DISSPLA look alike is available, the Districts will have to port their DISSPLA programs.
Alan Lumb will present status of NWIS graphics tasks for DISSPLA call replacements.
Discussion of resources to accomplish the graphics replacement tasks.
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NWISWeb graphics should be the same engine that is used for NWIS graphics.
There are at least 10 Districts that have non-DCPS telemetry gaging stations. North Carolina has over 100 land line stations and has plans to develop cell phone telemetry for ground-water well data. Also refer to Cathy Hill's memo of 4/14/2000, on Statistics of Data-Collection with a reply requested by 5/31/2000.
CPAC thinks there is a need for some action to be taken by CPAC.
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AIS and NWIS met with Oracle and discussed issues related to the migration of these two applications from Ingres to Oracle. Those discussions have resulted in a proposal from Oracle consulting services. The proposal is on a time and material basis in accordance with the Oracle GSA schedule. The scope is basically to assist NWIS and AIS in assessing the tasks and options to migrate the data bases and applications to an Oracle architecture, to test whether the AIS Open Road application will operate against the Oracle database environment, and develop a test data model to evaluate the NWIS application architecture. The cost estimate valid thru April 22 is $202K and the period of performance would be 4 months. NWIS is not seeking funds at this time for this effort.
Kathy at NWQL requires four to eight times as much time to administer Oracle over Ingres.
The next step is to provide closure on the Oracle agenda items. There is no real advantage in going to Oracle; also going to Oracle would produce significant costs. It is anticipated that the Bureau will be driving the RDBMS issue.
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Nebraska: |
Buy the CPUs - Districts are grateful for the CPUs and could buy or gather the monitors. |
North Carolina: |
Slowest CPU is 400 mhz with 256 RAM - no new desktops needed. |
Pennsylvania: |
has 60 XTerms and would like to beef up its servers instead. |
Arizona: |
DI-1 for $70K to buy desktops. |
Kentucky: |
Loren is a fan of Thin Clients, and would like to buy more Thin Stars. National watch group required. |
Research: |
Users didn't need to all go to MS Windows. Popping Lotus Notes for researchers. |
Hawaii: |
Mix of equipment. Getting off DGs. Field offices are two persons typically. One machine usually. Problems with networks and machines themselves are old. One PC so that they can have a card reader. One terminal for simplicity of SA. Every outer island office will have the existing PC and one newer PC. PCs and Thin Star clients in District office. Two DGs left. Pubs unit has Macs. |
NWQL: |
240 - 260 desktops running NTs and Windows 95. StarLims needs Oracle run time on Client. |
Nilles in Denver: |
Trend is for frequent travelers to just have a laptop as a desktop. Docking stations setup is expensive. |
FL, Tallahassee: |
going toward PC desktops. 10 old PCs need to be replaced. |
FL, Tampa: |
15 XTerms, 50 Pentiums 100 -700 mhz (30 to be replace) 3 DGs. |
FL, Miami: |
Some need to be replaced. 10 XTerms plus 5 others. |
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Premise is that WRD does not have enough money to support all the packages that WRD needs to support.
GOAL ONE Document Matrix has been developed to rank software packages and support. Tom Wood needs to look at the matrix and provide a rational approach and put the approach into practice for the next fiscal year.
Discussion about drafting a simpler plan to provide enough information to document funding needs for the District personnel and others who provide software and user support for corporate WRD software. This would essentially compliment the GOAL ONE Documentation. This would be a proposal that would allow CPAC members to provide feedback to Tom Wood.
This proposals would include clustering of utilities and new tabular format, showing types and funding support.
A table format is suggested as the following:
Package |
Framemaker |
Sutron |
Funded Help |
DIS - $1,000 |
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PUBS - $5,000 |
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Unfunded Help |
SuperMan PA District |
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Contractor Help |
OASIS - 75% |
Sutron $0 |
Packaging |
DIS |
X |
NEWS Group |
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... A Web Page will be developed. The web page could be sorted in various ways, such as by package, by system, category of user or by source of support. |
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Rewrite Action 13 as: Tom Wood will develop a proposal for a Fiscal Year 2001 funding for HW/SW support to bring back to the August CPAC meeting. Proposal will be sent out two weeks before the meeting.
Brainstorm on Constituent Issues.
l Process: for deciding what when to change, such as RDBMS
Discussion led by Lew Wade regarding the process of evaluating and selecting the Bureau/Division hardware and software infrastructure.
Discussion of how WRD/CPAC can influence the decision making process.
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This discussion is to work through the WRD representatives on the Lotus Implementation Team, Graig McHendrie and Jim Bettendorf.
CPAC wants to get Graig McHendrie on the phone to find out his opinion on turning off the POP on the Lotus Issues.
Information Chiefs, Donna Scholz, and Gloria Stiltner will be meeting to discuss the POP issues and the timing issues.
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There is a need for a WRD process to develop a priority list of emerging technologies and support staff that would be of interest to WRD. Some comments include looking outward, benchmarking, being proactive, NT-TAC works on this.
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Discussion on seed money. Use DIS mechanism in place. Refer to previous discussions on CPAC Goal One Document.
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1 hour |
Goal One Document |
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Constituent Issues - continue discussion to select goals for the next fiscal year |
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Proposal from Lew Wade to "fix" HASS/Discipline office interaction. |
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Action 19. Data Archival charge |
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Action 28. Emerging Technologies - Sandy Williamson |
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Address questions or comments to Charles Merk, |